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What’s the best film camera to start with?

Jim Grey
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Every time I see a post about the best film camera to start with, the comments pile on. So many different, strong opinions. So many of them recommend a mechanical, manual SLR like the Pentax K1000 or the Minolta SR-T 101.

I think that’s a terrible place for a newbie to start. There’s so much to learn about exposure to use a camera like that. It’s a barrier that could turn a budding film photographer away.

Instead, buy an auto-everything 35mm SLR from late in the film era, around the turn of the century. My favorites are the Nikon N-series cameras, like the N55, N60, and N65. Get one with a lens already attached, preferably a Nikon Nikkor. A 28-80mm zoom lens is common and still useful. You can buy kits like these for $30 on eBay every day. (Read my post here about how to buy film gear on eBay.)

Nikon N65

There are some risks. Any used camera could have issues. But I choose these N-series cameras because, in my experience, unless one has been abused it is likely to work reliably.

The other reason I recommend these cameras is that when you twist the big dial atop the camera to Auto, you have a giant point-and-shoot camera. You’ll easily get great first results.

Nikon N65

If you try one only to realize that film photography isn’t for you, you’re out very little money. You can probably sell the kit to someone else for what you paid for it!

If you find you like shooting film, keep going with this auto-everything SLR until you feel like you’ve mastered it. Then try a mechanical, manual camera like that K1000 (more info here) or SR-T 101 (more info here).

Here are some photos I made with my Nikon N60 and N65 with my 28-80mm f/3.3-5.6-G AF Nikkor lens, a common one to find with these cameras. I used everyday color films: Fujicolor 200 and Kodak Gold 200, which you can still buy at the drug store. I walked up, twisted the lens barrel to zoom in on the scene, and pressed the button. (My wife shot the last one.) That’s all there is to it.

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39 responses to “What’s the best film camera to start with?”

  1. Andy Umbo Avatar
    Andy Umbo

    Plenty of great metal, manual cameras to start with, but no way to second guess your choice or reasons…solid camera, solid thinking…

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    1. Jim Grey Avatar
      Jim Grey

      Thank you! For a rank newbie I worry that exposure settings are a barrier.

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  2. jon campo Avatar
    jon campo

    I’ll agree with you Jim. When I was a student I started with a Pentax K-1000, then an Olympus OM-1 for college classes. (Which I still have and use) AE cameras were forbidden to us and also impossibly expensive. But film was almost free back then. Between the expense and with so many variables I could see a novice just giving up. I recently picked up a Nikon N90 for $12 dollars, that would make a great beginner camera I think.

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    1. Jim Grey Avatar
      Jim Grey

      Oh yes, the N90. Such an undervalued camera. I have film in my N90s right now. I bought it for $27! These are the serious bargain of the film camera world right now.

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  3. bodegabayf2 Avatar
    bodegabayf2

    I agree with you here. There are still times when I shift my Nikon F4 or Canon A-1 into program mode and just point and shoot. Makes for a day of carefree photography!

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    1. Jim Grey Avatar
      Jim Grey

      And with overall Nikon/Canon quality you know you’ll get fine results. That’s why I recommend these – lure the newbie in with easy good results and hopefully make them curious to explore deeper.

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  4. Dan James Avatar
    Dan James

    Fantastic post Jim, the best way to encourage more people to try shooting film is to make the entry point as easy and affordable as possible.

    I would add that many people interested enough in photography to think about trying film have probably used a DSLR, which of course evolved from the kind of late era SLR you recommend, so they’ll already be fairly familiar with the form and basic layout and controls.

    I really like that you kept this post so short and to the point also, rather than dissecting a dozen options.

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    1. Jim Grey Avatar
      Jim Grey

      When a newbie asks me this question, which admittedly doesn’t happen often, they don’t need a dissertation, they need a simple recommendation. This is it! Nikon N65 and done. (Or N60, or N55.)

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      1. Johnny Martyr Avatar
        Johnny Martyr

        “When a newbie asks me this question… they don’t need a dissertation”

        Absolutely agree with that. Film photogs want to blab on and on about this model vs that model which is all just hair-splitting in most instances.

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  5. retrocrank Avatar
    retrocrank

    Agree in principle but maybe an autoexposure camera is the better start, particularly aperture priority. I had an N65 for a long time, a great backpack camera but difficult to use in “manual mode.” For a beginner the controls that would not translate to a truly manual camera and might hamper the transition. With many aperture priority AE SLRs, the controls look and feel like a totally manual and can easily be used as such. Focusing is an easy new learning to graduate from a digital camera. And if the camera is equipped with the DoF button, the budding filmist can learn about impact of aperture on image as their interest blooms. If there is a transition to full manual it’s a matter of evolution rather than a new technology. (I learned in my pre-teen years on my Dad’s Signet 35, with lots of “Dad-time science lessons” to teach me about focus, aperture, shutter speed, and their interaction. The Dad-time aspect is not something to be discounted……or in our times has that been yielded to the screen?)

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    1. Jim Grey Avatar
      Jim Grey

      Yes for someone who has photography experience beyond their phone or a P&S digicam. Otherwise I think dealing with exposure at all adds complexity that makes the leap too far for most. People who ask me about this are generally just film-curious and an N65 will satisfy their curiosity at low entry cost. If they like it, then they can explore deeper! My recommendation for a second film camera would be something more manual, but with aperture-priority autoexposure.

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      1. retrocrank Avatar
        retrocrank

        Maybe. But I have a hard time dissociating the enjoyment of film photography from the necessity of considering the technical aspects. Digital makes it a lot easier to avoid those than even an N65. I’ve had two “film students” so far (one my son), both coming from iPhone photography. Both started with Nikkormat FTns (also inexpensive and abundant), although my son prefers my AE SLRs when he gets the chance.

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  6. Victor Villaseñor Avatar
    Victor Villaseñor

    I started with a SRT-101, but being into engineering, I actually loved that the whole darn thing was mechanical and forced me to really think of the exposure triangle.

    My modern film cameras are used when I want to focus on the actual picture and a lil less on the process. That said, there is nothing like taking your time with a Manual Focus camera… its part of the experience.

    Your approach has another benefit thou:

    What focal length do you prefer?
    What do you like more Aperture or Shutter priority for walk around situations?

    Now, that’s a happy Jim Grey, if I have ever seen / read one!

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    1. Jim Grey Avatar
      Jim Grey

      Victor, like you I enjoy the complexity of a good camera. But so many people who ask me about film photography have a more casual interest, and I think that complexity would scare them away!

      For everyday walk-around shooting I like 35mm lenses on 35mm film, aperture priority. What about you?

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      1. Victor Villaseñor Avatar
        Victor Villaseñor

        I like more 40-50mm on 35mm film. The Minolta 45mm f2 is seemingly glued to my camera.

        Aperture priority for sure, I only swap to Shutter priority when trying to get a reasonably blur free picture of my kid (Minolta XD!).

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        1. Jim Grey Avatar
          Jim Grey

          I loved my 45/2 Rokkor when I still had my Minolta gear. It’s a lovely lens.

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  7. Johnny Martyr Avatar
    Johnny Martyr

    I think the first question that needs to be asked is, what is this person a student of?

    If the answer is that they are moving from a DSLR to film, and just need to learn to handle film, then yes, I believe your recommendation is absolutely spot-on.

    However, if the answer is that they are seeking to learn basic photography, I’d stand by the traditional, all manual camera. I’d even teeter on recommending that people start on film first rather than digital if for no other reason than because there is no such thing as a fully manual digital camera outside of some Leicas whose price is beyond reason for a student.

    The value in these all manual cameras is that you do not have an automatic option to lean on and everything you do requires basic textbook principles to be at least roughly understood.

    I think this foundation is precisely what is lacking in modern photography. I talk to so many folks who have only used a DSLR that do not understand basic concepts such as DoF decreasing as one gets closer to the in focus subject or what shutter speed they need to be at to hand hold without camera blur. Despite the instant feedback of digital, these very basic concepts are often lost to new and even experienced shooters who are busied and distracted by what each auto mode does.

    Or maybe what matters more is having fun and getting good shots regardless of one doesn’t know why?

    And again, if one is already familiar with proper DSLR shooting and is seeking to give film a try, a “35mm DSLR” is exactly the right tool to hand them. ;)

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    1. Jim Grey Avatar
      Jim Grey

      You ask the critical question.

      9 times out of 10 when I get asked it’s from someone who’s just film-curious. A “35mm DSLR” as you say really is the right tool for them.

      This is different from someone who wants to learn photography. On the rare occasion I encounter that I recommend a match-needle manual focus SLR with a 50mm lens, or if you must something with more exposure automation but a good manual mode. And then if I think they really mean it I offer a little of my time to them to help them get the hang of it.

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      1. Johnny Martyr Avatar
        Johnny Martyr

        Maybe our social circles are coloring our exposure to the next generation of film photographers differently but I am asked by many of both types of people, fairly often. Though, admittedly, in the last couple years I feel the questions have slowed for some reason. I would also submit that many of the “film-curious” folks who are used to a DSLR know less of the fundamentals than they think they know! But hey, whatever will get them in the door, right?

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        1. Jim Grey Avatar
          Jim Grey

          I agree that film-curious DSLR users generally know little about the mechanics of photography. Most of them, imho, use their DSLR as a big P&S.

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  8. Chris and Carol Avatar
    Chris and Carol

    My recommendation is a Canon T70. You’ve got to be able to learn how to focus, compose and expose to be considered a film photographer. Just loading film in a camera doesn’t cut it. At least with the T70 (and Canon FD lenses), there’s a manual mode to graduate to without ditching the camera and a “training wheels” program mode to start off with. It’s got a super bright viewfinder, built-in winder, it feels solid, and is fun to use.

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    1. Jim Grey Avatar
      Jim Grey

      The T70 is an intriguing choice. Still inexpensive, enough automation to remove the barriers, manual focus.

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  9. tbm3fan Avatar
    tbm3fan

    Your recommendation makes sense. I think back to when I took my first picture with a camera. It was the Spring of 1960, I was 6 years old, and I used an Imperial Debonair (P&S) that I had gotten for selling Christmas cards. You’re too young to recall the selling of Christmas cards by kids in the 50s and 60s. Anyway I moved onto a 127 camera, probably Kodak, when 12-13 at the same time I had darkroom time in my elective class, Graphic Arts, in 7th grade. So I learned development/contact prints, how to set type, use a manual press, make paper, and tie dye.

    The irony is that I learned how to develop film first before I learned photography. That came in 1972, after reading Popular Photography for information, I settled on a SRT-101 instead of a Miranda or Topcon which I now have anyway. That SRT-101 is what I took into my year long photojournalism class at SDSU for the 74-75 school year. Bonus was a great teacher, lots of darkroom time and all the printing experience I desired.

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    1. Jim Grey Avatar
      Jim Grey

      See, yeah, most of us old enough to have started making photos in the film era started with something like that Debonair. My first camera was a Kodak Brownie Starmite II. Fixed focus, fixed exposure. The latitude of Kodacolor II made up for it. It took me a long time to learn I liked making photographs, and then I got more interested in doing it better, which led me to more capable and thus more complex cameras.

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  10. Mike Connealy Avatar
    Mike Connealy

    A film beginner’s experience and expectations are certainly going to be important in choosing the first best camera. Also important is what kind of expert advice will be available during the introductory process.
    I know a fellow who started as a young kid with a Leica IIIa. I think that worked out because his father was an avid photographer and also apparently a good and patient teacher.
    My own recommendation for a starting with film would be a no-frills box camera, preferably one with a brilliant finder. A lot of box cameras came with excellent manuals which explained the fundamentals without intimadating complications.

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    1. Jim Grey Avatar
      Jim Grey

      What an interesting recommendation. My initial reaction was, “but they’d have to futz with threading in rollfilm,” but then I realized I did it on my own with no Internet to guide me when I shot my first roll of film, 127 in a Kodak Brownie Starmite II, at age 10. And you’re right, many of those old manuals wrote accessibly about the basic mechanics of exposure.

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  11. kurt munger Avatar
    kurt munger

    The real question here is; did you go inside the Story Inn? It looks like a neat place to check out!

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    1. Jim Grey Avatar
      Jim Grey

      I’ve not been in! I’ve visited the little town of Story but a couple times, always off the Inn’s operating hours. Here’s more about Story:

      https://blog.jimgrey.net/2017/12/01/the-story-of-story-indiana/

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  12. Stephen Russell Shilling Avatar
    Stephen Russell Shilling

    The n65 was my first film camera. Still have it today. Even though I am constantly reducing the number of cameras I have, I always find it difficult to let go of. It simply works well.

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    1. Jim Grey Avatar
      Jim Grey

      Yup. Little workhorses!

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  13. adnanaslamdar Avatar
    adnanaslamdar

    yes N65 works very well .i also like it very much.

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    1. Jim Grey Avatar
      Jim Grey

      It’s a fine camera. There may be more exciting cameras out there, but this one gets the job done.

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      1. adnanaslamdar Avatar
        adnanaslamdar

        thanks for recommending please always share you best recommendation thanks

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        1. Jim Grey Avatar
          Jim Grey

          You’re welcome!

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  14. adnanaslamdar Avatar
    adnanaslamdar

    Jim which camera is the best other than N65. Please share some good ones.

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    1. Jim Grey Avatar
      Jim Grey

      That’s a mighty broad question. The best camera is always the one that meets your needs but I have no idea what your needs are!

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  16. Tim N. Avatar
    Tim N.

    Jim, I found your blog some months ago and I enjoy very much reading it. I am from Nothern Germany, born 1976, and, I am only a hobby photographer.
    I still have my first own camera, a Ricoh Kr-10x, which I got at age of 14, after playing around for two years with grandfather’s compact Voigtlander from the 50s and father’s heavy Canon Ftb. To me, the Ricoh is a vastly underrated piece of Japanese precision manufacturing. I made some great photographs with it in day and night until I was a student, and it will likely last longer than me.
    Now, more than 30 years later, I started collecting some cameras that I couldn’t afford as a student, mostly amateur high-end cameras from the 90s.
    For my niche and nephew, I am looking after a Nikon F50. It has a wonderful “simple” mode, seems very robust (unlike the later *5-series) and well built and can be combined with light Nikkor plastic zooms which don’t ruin me when they break. In fact, this camera has everything that I would have liked during my study times and, due to its robustness, it is probably a good choice for any hiking tour. As an alternative, I could have chosen Canon 500 or Minolta 505 but, I thought, they might be more complicated to use for kids.
    Would be nice to receive some thoughts from you. Best regards from Germany, Tim

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    1. Jim Grey Avatar
      Jim Grey

      Tim, gruesse aus Indiana! The Ricoh SLRs of the 70s and 80s are underrated for sure. I’ve owned three of them, all branded as Sears, as was the case here in the US. I still have one of them.

      I see you found my Nikon F50 review. I just passed that camera on to its next owner. In the US at least they are incredibly inexpensive used — as little as $10. They’re as robust as you say, and a great way to get into film photography. Even for an experienced photographer, it’s a great camera to take along where there’s greater risk of it being lost, stolen, or damaged, if for no other reason than another one can be had so inexpensively!

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